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Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 2 Years ago Karma: 0
Hello everyone,

1st time post - be gentle!

I have been puzzling over a moment in Derrida's 'Given Time' for a while now where he says that 'the example of food or of what are called consumer goods will never be just one example among others' when thinking of the gift. I would greatly appreciate any thoughts you might have on this most cryptic of asides. Why is food 'not just one example among others' of the gift? What gives food this exemplary status for Derrida?

As far as I can tell, Derrida is using food and feeding as a metonym for social and cultural relations, particularly those forms which are orally based. He seems to be invoking the psychoanalytical significance of feeding, particularly that of the myth of the primal father in 'Totem and Taboo,' but as this is Derrida, I would be very surprised if this is all he is referring to. I also have a sense that this is somehow linked with the idea of the parasite, of which Derrida has spoken at length elsewhere. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts, for example, of Derrida's remarks in 'Deconstruction and the Visual Arts' that all he has ever done is look at parasites.

Aware this is a huge question, I don't expect a 'soundbite' answer by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps some thoughts, or even a nudge towards a particular text that might help clarify the relationship between the gift, food and the parasite further would be gratefully received!
 
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Re:Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 2 Years ago Karma: 0
his favorite gift is the gift of death
 
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Re:Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 2 Years ago Karma: 0
Yes, I've read 'The Gift of Death'. Care to elaborate?
 
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Re:Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 2 Years ago Karma: 0
Early on in "The Gift of Death", Derrida says
(based on Potocka)
"..to the gift of death that puts me into
relation with the transcendence of the other,
with God as selfless goodness.."
and goes on to talk about how the
paradox between responsibility and faith
(this orgiastic desire for union with the
secret sacred, which erases your responsibility)
is involved. "The Gift of Death" seems a little
awkward. Maybe "the promised gifts of a
religious death" is closer, or "the packaging
of death as a gift".

But what about the Gift in "Given Time"?
I only have what looks like a nice article:
www.iep.utm.edu/derrida/
(sec 7a)
It looks like any return for the gift, even
saying 'thank you', drives a give-take cycle that
nulls out the giving. I would differ about that:
I think saying 'thank you' is just a token that
acknowledges you are taking without giving...
ie, a confirmation of the gifting. Derrida seems to
crank up the volume on some symbolic things to equal
other things they are specifically supposed to
be less than (or a translation into another system)..


Your 'will never be just one example' almost seems like
a weird translational hiccup. In English, it has no
coherent meaning. It almost seems like
"will always be one example of many", but not quite.
Given that it's grammatically semi-incoherent already,
I wouldn't give it much weight unless you can get the
French and a fluent bilingual to explain.

Having been here for a few years, I think it's worth
warning you that Derrida is outside the normal range here,
so you may not find an expert. I'm just doing what I can as
another camera angle.
 
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Re:Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 2 Years ago Karma: 0
Great - thanks for the response! You've given me plenty to think about - particularly the problem of translation. I'm sure our library has a copy in the French somewhere. I just need to find a fluent French speaker next. It would certainly solve a lot of problems for me if, indeed, food 'will always be one example among others,' although I'm not sure I agree with you completely that the present translation is grammatically suspect.

I'm studying Derrida quite heavily at the moment, so I would really appreciate it if anyone does know of any forums where discussion of his work is a bit more common.

Once again, thanks for your response - I appreciate it very much.
 
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Re:Feeding and The Gift in Derrida 1 Year, 9 Months ago Karma: -1
If you are hosting a party you have enough food for everyone in attendance, no matter the age. Of course you feed the adults. I've NEVER heard of someone even thinking of not doing so..

BTW, personally I like their pizza.
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